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'It's time for women to stand as one': We wish Shireen Mazari would take her own advice

'It's time for women to stand as one': We wish Shireen Mazari would take her own advice

Call people out when they're wrong, but don't ignore your government doing the same.
10 Apr, 2021

Women's clothes have become a hot topic these past few days and everyone, from our prime minister to our human rights minister, has an opinion.

Of course, while we weren't too pleased with Prime Minister Imran Khan's take, we have to applaud Federal Human Rights Minister Shireen Mazari for a tweet she posted about respecting women's choice of dress. But this is a story in two parts, and while we applaud her in part one, we're sighing in dismay in part two.

Part I

"Absolutely reject anyone, especially a woman, ridiculing or insulting any woman over choice of dress," she wrote on Twitter. "Arrogance to assume what another woman's idea of Pakistan may be! Muslim women are being denied their right to dress as they wish in Europe — let's not deny our women their right of dress choice."

She was replying to another tone deaf tweet by Sara Taseer — who wouldn't trust some women to choose what she has for lunch, let alone vote to elect the country's next leader. She tweeted a picture of women clad in burqas and captioned it 'Rejecting Pinky’s Pakistan'. She is, of course, referring to the First Lady, who chooses to wear a burqa.

Mazari, the outspoken minister, is very right in calling Taseer out. Ridiculing anyone over their choice of dress is a shameful and downright tacky thing to do, but we doubt what she said will get through to Taseer.

Many people in this country seem to have an obsession with the First Lady's clothes. They find them 'too much' and have even said on Twitter, that she could be an embarrassment for the country if she represented us abroad. But why do her clothes matter at all?

Lest we forget, feminism means allowing women to dress as they please. That means a woman has the right to wear a burqa just as much as she has the right to wear jeans. Making fun of the way someone chooses to dress, especially when it relates to their religious beliefs, is foolish, to say the least. Our national preoccupation with the First Lady's clothes has to stop. She has the right to wear what she wants, the same way we have the right to wear what we want.

Taseer's tweet comes days after France approved a bill that denies women below the age of 18 the right to wear a hijab. No matter what your religious inclinations are, it is wrong to deny someone the right to wear what they want.

We're very glad Mazari called Taseer out. We shouldn't be denying any women their right to dress as they choose.

Part II

Here comes the second part of this story, where the righteous minister then continues in a second tweet and says she has had enough of victim blaming/shaming. However, we noticed she was rather silent when the head of her government linked vulgarity to rape and the world called him out for it.

She didn't say anything about the premier's comments and how they too could be construed as victim blaming or how linking 'vulgarity' — however that might be defined — to rape oversimplifies the crime and gives rapists an out. It puts the burden of staying safe and away from 'tempted' men on the victims.

The usually very vocal minister turned a blind eye to the controversy, despite it being reported in the international press. But then, she has a poor track record when it comes to calling out her own government. We love you for how vocal you are, Minister, but we wish you used your voice to call out injustices and poor practices in your own ranks.

You can't have your cake and eat it, Ms Mazari. You can't call someone out for something your government has been guilty of and pretend that has nothing to do with you. And calling on law enforcers to enforce laws is laughable. You are the government. You have the power to do much more than tweet.

So yes, Shireen Mazari, it is time for women of all shades to stand as one. We have had enough of victim blaming/shaming, misogyny, GBV and child abuse. We're also sick of men gesticulating and using public spaces to relieve themselves (of their unwanted and unwarranted opinions). The laws are all there, law enforcers should do their job. Enough is enough.

Comments

Uff yeh tabdeeli Apr 10, 2021 05:04pm
Imran's whole cabinet is full of bigots. Who shamelessly lecture others and ignore the pathetic mind of their leader
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M. Saeed Apr 10, 2021 05:29pm
What a transformation! From most modern British lady of Royal closeness wife and mother of PMIK's two grown sons, to a divorcee woman with grown up children of intense secluded life!
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Darawal Apr 10, 2021 05:29pm
I would rather stop this nonstop blasphemy drama.
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bhaRAT© Apr 10, 2021 05:30pm
"Absolutely reject anyone, especially a woman, ridiculing or insulting any woman over choice of dress," Rightly so.
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ANS Apr 10, 2021 05:34pm
French POV is same for all religions: no religious symbol in public.
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Laila Apr 10, 2021 05:38pm
Dawn, A small correction. The alleged bill against head cover for French muslim females has not been passed. First it has to go through their national assembly before it can be passed and be actual law. It's doubtful whether they will pass it though. So the law is not in effect. Muslim females incl children can still wear head cover and go to universities, schools, on school trips as mothers etc.
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Chrís Dăn Apr 10, 2021 05:43pm
Bushra Bibiś dress was her personal matter till the time ,her husband had not criticised the dress choice of other Pakistani women & linked dress with a motive for rape in some instances. PM has no right to stigmatize the women in Pakistan wearing dresses as per 21st century .
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Asim Apr 10, 2021 05:44pm
She is a joker herself and a hypocrite who doesn’t have guts to stand up to PM for his derogatory remarks about women and rape
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Badar Apr 10, 2021 05:57pm
Poor choice. Bad for the image of a modern leader. Too bad. He is stuck with the lady.
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Engr Nasir Apr 10, 2021 06:18pm
IK is right to correlate vulgarity and rape. Where the punishment is strong is also inversely correlate. Let's correct the society by the both ways.
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Khaled Apr 10, 2021 06:24pm
Very true 'She has the right to wear what she wants, the same way we have the right to wear what we want'.
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Ibrahim S Apr 10, 2021 06:40pm
With due respect why Monarch IK looked so stretched out and agitated, It just look like a TV reality show .
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UHD Apr 10, 2021 06:40pm
More than 75 % of the women wear burqa and hijabs because of the insistence and fear of men.
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Jak Apr 10, 2021 06:58pm
I have to disagree. What IKs wife represents is important not because she is a practising fundamentalist/literalist muslim but also a corrosive religious influence on the Pakistani PM. It well known she is his religious peer and has a huge influence on his neo fanatic outlook. It impacts his policies and so critiquing her influence is fair game.
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Factual Bias Apr 10, 2021 07:05pm
Enough already. The PM is 100% right when he says vulgarity causes sexual frustration in a society where sex is (correctly) not freely available sans marriage. You are 100% wrong when you infer women are to blame for vulgarity.
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Nalayak Niazi Apr 10, 2021 07:10pm
Think of all the money saved on wardrobe
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well-wisher Apr 10, 2021 07:11pm
Freedom to wear what pleases you is good and commendable provided the line of modesty and respect is not breached. That breach results in unwanted crime. WEARING of burkhas and chador are restrictive and can even hide a criminal.
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Gvv Apr 10, 2021 07:13pm
In liberals ko kapre pasand nhe aur ye bakio ko bhe inke bgair dekhna chahte hn
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Ghani K Apr 10, 2021 07:24pm
Modesty is appreciated , but Burqa or fully covered face is the worst aggression against women.
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Fareed N Apr 10, 2021 07:30pm
Mrs. IK Niazi is an enigma , shrouded in mystery.
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Ekramul Majid Apr 10, 2021 07:40pm
Is not the President's wife considered the First Lady?
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Khurram Apr 10, 2021 08:00pm
What a gracefull dress of 1st lady.
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Laila Apr 10, 2021 08:09pm
@Engr Nasir no PMIK is absolutely wrong to correlate rape and vulgarity. Rape is an ancient sin and crime. Old as the human race. I strongly urge you to not subscribe to rape myths but instead contact a rape crises center, email, call, or videocall them, and educate yourself on what rape is. Rape myths are in place to make rapists not responsible and to blame the victims. If vulgarity was the reason then iyt would be easy in previous times to eliminate rape. There was no internet, social media, pronography, audio/video or any electronic media.
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Factual Bias Apr 10, 2021 08:27pm
Rape has nothing to do with sexual frustration. Sexual frustration has nothing to do with vulgarity. Punishment has nothing to do with deterrence. Great logic.
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Hania Apr 10, 2021 08:38pm
A full Burqa is perfectly fine in tribal areas of Pakistan where people are predominantly backward and conservative.
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hussain Apr 10, 2021 08:51pm
who the hell is Sara taseer or for that matter any liberal, this nation of 220 million is majority Muslim, it has its fair share of problems, but we don't need coconuts telling the rest of us how to live or what to wear, why doesn't Sara taseer ask her party leaders to dress in western attire.
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HashBrown® Apr 10, 2021 10:03pm
Why should Mazari be accountable for PMIK's opinions? Should she also speak on behalf of Fayyaz Chohan and Amir Liaqat? She has her own opinions, which are usually correct, and she doesn't owe it to us or to anybody else to provide explanations for the opinions of less educated men.
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Chrís Dăn Apr 10, 2021 10:50pm
@hussain but admit one thing-Sara Tasir is not wrong.
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Chrís Dăn Apr 10, 2021 10:51pm
@Hania the whole country has a tribal mentality.
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LgbtqX Apr 10, 2021 11:13pm
Thank you Mr. Jinnah.
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John The Baptist Apr 10, 2021 11:42pm
Sorry, but we have to side with Taseer on this one.
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Alla Bux Apr 10, 2021 11:44pm
May be Ms Mazari should be in all encompassing burkha?
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qbmx Apr 10, 2021 11:58pm
There will be no rapes in Pakistan if all women wore the white burqa like her. The only danger then would be to men who get raped instead, perhaps they too wear burqas
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skb Apr 11, 2021 12:17am
@Laila Spot on.. .
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Dr. Salaria, Aamir Ahmad Apr 11, 2021 01:12am
I don't think so. Is that a man?
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Syed A. Mateen Apr 11, 2021 01:25am
Part-I: Pakistani women whether they are Muslim, Chistrians, Hindus or practicing any faith or believe majority of them wear Kameez and Shalwar and put Duppata on their heads. Part II: There are also some women who prefer to wear clothes which are eiher see through or in some way are transparent which are not disliked by the men but also by women who are called as conservatives.
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Myr Apr 11, 2021 01:53am
#pmik said it quite right, whats wrong. In his saying? Women should have righ to dress, We support It. But it doesn't mean they have right to disturb the fabric of the society we live in, our customs.our religious values. If by doing this, using endless freedom some women want, if they face some thing bad. Then they r also to be blamed along with the perpetrator.
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Laila Apr 11, 2021 03:10am
@M. Saeed is there something wrong with marrying a divorced woman and mother of grown up kids? I ask, because in Islam, contrary to Pakistani society/culture, remarriage is encouraged and considered natural for both men AND women. You divorce, you are widowed, life goes on. You remarry. Let us not stigmatize divorced women with kids.
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Clifford David Apr 11, 2021 03:42am
Dont you think that the same way the western women are being denied their right to dress in muslim countries
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Ali da Malanga Apr 11, 2021 03:43am
Those who are trying to prove that the first lady somehow has something to do with those women who were covering themselves in the picture have definitely not observe cultural practices from areas like the earnest FATA, Baluchistan, interior Sindh and Punjab.
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Haider Apr 11, 2021 03:47am
Sireen bibi, before criticizing others, you should dress and look like a women 1st. Every time i see you, you look like a clown.
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Noel Apr 11, 2021 03:53am
Conservatives being judgemental on everyone who doesn’t dress like they want, and liberals who poke fun at what conservatives wear, are the just two sides of the same coin of stupidity. Just let people wear what they want to wear, and don’t be judgmental. Move your mind to more important things in life. No wonder scientific innovation and progress suffers in a country like Pakistan!
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Rick Apr 11, 2021 04:21am
Poor dress modestly, rich dress rhe way they want, poor can't drink alcohol but rich drink like its water, poor commit murder and go to jail, rich commit murder and go abroad on holiday. This is what is wrong with Pakistan, 2 laws for 2 classes of people. Islam has nothing to do with it.
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Lal chand rajput Apr 11, 2021 04:36am
Kind of suspense thriller movie in pakistan when all were suspecting army to be pulling strings, but it was indeed his wife ruling the country policies.
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It's me Apr 11, 2021 05:14am
It's time for women to stand as one': We wish Shireen Mazari would take her own life
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Haris Khan Apr 11, 2021 05:20am
@Factual Bias: Finally, someone says it right. It's always the society as a whole that determines anything for its constituents and never the individuals.
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Jalal Apr 11, 2021 05:47am
I think every woman should be allowed to wear whatever she wants and also train them to carry an assault weapon and make the crime in self defense permissible . Allow her to shoot a perpetrator with a bullet . This will be a much better solution than hiding them in a Burqa . This way at least we will transform society and eliminate the perpetrators.I am sure just the passage of such a law alone will eliminate crime .
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PEW Apr 11, 2021 06:09am
She is a magician too! Lol
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Harambe Apr 11, 2021 06:09am
@Khaled But, can she appear in Pakistan in a western swim suit even at a public Pool? Is that her right to choose, yet?
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PEW Apr 11, 2021 06:14am
Everything about niazi seems wrong now, nobody takes him seriously anymore!
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Gt Apr 11, 2021 06:15am
A lady looking like "Bhoot" standing with human being
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Harambe Apr 11, 2021 06:21am
@Ghani K: Some of these women could save money by wearing less and be modest --and be able to feed their large families with the savings!
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Darawal Apr 11, 2021 06:23am
@Fareed N May be she works for some intelligence agencies. I know a lot Pirs and religious leaders in rural areas of Pakistan are connected with agencies and facilitate them.
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Ifti Malik Apr 11, 2021 07:33am
Let's stop all this inane and repetitious talk on this topic for now . It's hardly newsworthy. Thanks to Imran Nazi and Co the whole country is sinking into oblivion and our press and media is harping on about Pinky's pyjamas. Absurd .
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Toni Apr 11, 2021 07:59am
Pinky was in fact the nick name for Benazir Bhutto from her teenage, when first met her learning English Literature. BNB did nothing about Hadood Laws, that was and remains Anti-Women, remains a disappointment.
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Tan Apr 11, 2021 08:19am
Does anyone in the world talk about Ayothollah's wife cloths? No. Why? Because they do not appear in public scene. There is the answer for any public figure who does not want to be commented on. One shouldn't attempt to modify the world, one need to observe human nature, and adapt to get the response they want - or response they don't want.
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Sana Apr 11, 2021 09:00am
@Engr Nasir really??? so a victim's dress had caused her to be raped? what caveman age are you living in ?
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Ibrahim S Apr 11, 2021 09:20am
@Fareed N - His sole purpose was to settle score with NS , it goes way back to their school days animosity.
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Ibrahim S Apr 11, 2021 09:25am
@LgbtqX - now you will understand why BD separated from Pakistan . BD has the Same problems, same fundamentalists , same corruption . But they have sincere and sane leadership who cares for their people and the country . In addition, they don’t have Pak army anymore.
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Independent Thinker Apr 11, 2021 09:33am
Facial expressions are as important as your words when communicating. When you promote that women should cover their faces you are taking away their ability to communicate fully. How many CEOs of large companies are women in Pakistan and how many cover their faces? My guess is very few and zero respectively.
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hamza khan Apr 11, 2021 09:35am
@Uff yeh tabdeeli yes perhaps, but what about the pathetic mind of PDM leaders?
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Aftab Apr 11, 2021 09:43am
Lady is a symbol of our modern thinking and new Madina.
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Aftab Apr 11, 2021 09:44am
Her dress and IKs tasbih in hand is a symbol of our evolution.
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Arunava Paul Mukherjee Apr 11, 2021 09:49am
Walking bedouin tents.
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Ali Apr 11, 2021 10:02am
Dear Dawn, Stop overthinking !! And do yourself a favor. No 1 of any side even bothers or cares to go through your 'over efficiency' with words, creating a scrambled stew out of random incidents and wanting to make sense out of it by abhorantl linkages to your views. Fortunately the local dynamics operate differently than the words expressed here. These nerdy rants get lost in time, just like others, having no possitive effect, when no 1 on the local scape may even bother to give heed to it. These views tend to be misplaced against matters, in priorities.
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U-turn Apr 11, 2021 10:08am
@Khurram regressively graceful
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Rabia Apr 11, 2021 10:09am
I agree with this reaction to Mazari's tweet. But also, we need to stop our obsession with clothes, period. As for burkas, lets not forget that a good segment of women who wear them are made to do so. I know, I've asked many of them. Its a cruel dress, hot, unsanitary and cumbersome.
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kautiliya Apr 11, 2021 10:27am
IK please be a leader for the 21st century, your former wife always seem to- becoming to help you out be it real estate deals in the UK or keeping your present wife in purda
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Erum Aziz Apr 11, 2021 10:51am
In States people don't have enough time to discuss personal choices.. But In Pakistan women have time hi time. In States women work 8-9 hours 'just like a man' in a workshop or firms, companies etc and rare have time to think about clothes, shoes or house-maids... Whereas in Pakistan 'barbie dolls' sitting in their houses, blaming their husbands and protesting against their men.
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F Nawaz Apr 11, 2021 01:26pm
In spirit, this article wasn't needed either.
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hussain Apr 11, 2021 03:58pm
@ANS don't give a Damn about the hypocritical French, thus is my nation of Pakistan, if you want to wear a bikini, or shorts for men then go to France. this nation's foundation is Islam.
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hussain Apr 11, 2021 04:02pm
@Chrís Dăn 21st century, is that the best you can come up with and so dawn publishes your comment. the dress of the 1st lady is the dress of a strong Muslimah, as to the PM's statement it was about how vulgarity and access to pornography had made some in our society behave in a depraved manner. first listen and then make a comment.
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hussain Apr 11, 2021 04:04pm
@Badar A leader is one who leads, tells it as it is , that's why you're stuck making little comments assuming western leaders are a marker to be looked up to, you're just another coconut.
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hussain Apr 11, 2021 04:07pm
@Ibrahim S damned if you do and damned if you don't, he's the fist leader that really connects with the public, tomorrow if the imbeciles come to power, will they come and answer the public's questions or will they setup everything much like the interviews they have with journalists.
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hussain Apr 11, 2021 04:10pm
@Hania and youre more advanced as the layers of clothes come off, the more naked the more modern is that your assertion. truly getting sick and tired of Pakistani coconut liberals, like monkeys who happen to be in a minority, they want the rest of Pakistan to follow their lead of being monkeys.
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Ibrahim S Apr 11, 2021 04:12pm
I’m not sure why Mazari is passing such statements. She is not just an ordinary person but the guest lady that will have a major influence on Pakistani women . There is no question that she is also a fundamentalist and a “saint” . Our PM IK takes advices from her when he goes home . It’s just very scary thinking about it . It’s not good for the country where religious self righteous and fanatics are running amuck. As a suggestion she can drop off completion from Public view and go back where she could practice her faith without interfering with government and public affairs . Please don’t impose your personal agenda
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A shah Apr 11, 2021 04:20pm
I feel sorry for Muslim women
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KF Khan Apr 11, 2021 04:24pm
Turkey's first lady plays an admirable role and is a most worthy example
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KF Khan Apr 11, 2021 04:25pm
@M. Saeed weird
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TenJee Apr 11, 2021 04:34pm
How can women stand as one, when this is a issue that divides along the liberal/religious split in Pakistan? There are religious women and there are liberal women - resolve that split one way or another and this issue will go away. Religious people will never accept certain dress codes; the most the liberals can hope for is a grudging 'tolerance' (bardaash), but not 'acceptance' as that would require changing the religion. If you are honest the media clearly and purposefully promotes liberal/western ideas of dress, so the media is hardly a neutral arbiter in the debate either.
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Tauji M Apr 11, 2021 04:38pm
The “first” couple - what a fine pair of Parker pens in black and white!
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Zaman Apr 11, 2021 04:48pm
Is the above attire not an affront to women.? Is this excessive garb not a means to marginalize women? It violates an individuals identity and self worth . I can understand the hijab as a symbol of modesty . If this all encompassing dress is a sign of virtue, why aren't men also expected to dress in this fashion. If IK finds it so virtuous perhaps he can emulate his spouse. This approach is wrong in a modern world, Women are an integral part of the society and should be respected and recognized as such.
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TenJee Apr 11, 2021 04:58pm
@Laila Modesty in the Islamic gender code sense is about inculcating an environment where women are able to go about in public safely, but it is not a guaranteed protection against the threat of rape or assault. The liberals use the fact that rapes occur as supposed smoking gun argument against modesty laws of Islam. This is a fallacy. They also refuse to acknowledge the biological reasons why immodest dress should be avoided if we truly wish to engender an environment of mutual respect. Unfortunately the religious also present flawed arguments that parda is the 'cure' to the rape crisis on its own, but also fail to see that the sacred law merely seeks to regulate normative behaviours and boundaries, and has punishments to deal with serious crimes of deviants and miscreants. It is interesting that in the UK the policy makers are now looking to tackle the issue of rape culture in schools/universities by tackling the consumption of porn. Finally, they too are seeing the light.
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Erum Aziz Apr 11, 2021 05:05pm
Her life and her choice. She feels comfortable herself in it. I meet many women, they covered their faces mostly were friendly, culturaled and well mannered. I met many wearing jeans, but mostly were ill mannered. I don't know why?
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BBodd Apr 11, 2021 05:47pm
@Hania A bigoted view of conservative and tribal people that would be quite at home in a Alt Right anti Muslim western publication.
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Aftab Apr 11, 2021 07:07pm
@Factual Bias Marrying 4 women is itself manifestation of looking at women as an object.
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A shah Apr 11, 2021 08:42pm
I’ve seen better looking sacks of potatoes
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Moosa Al Athar Apr 11, 2021 09:42pm
Friendly ghosts!!
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Pathanoo Apr 12, 2021 01:24am
As long as a Society mistreats it's women; IT IS DOOMED TO BE MISERABLE.
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Only Apr 12, 2021 03:26am
Why do you think the first 2 wives left him ?
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Omar Apr 12, 2021 04:11am
The First Lady should not be covering her face in this manner as it paints a very bad view of the country and if the faith. No where does it say that one must cover their face. This is all a farce.
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Alla Bux Apr 12, 2021 05:01am
If what he says is true (that veils stop rapes) there would be 100% rapes in a nudist colony. I rest my case.
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Alla Bux Apr 12, 2021 05:06am
@ANS But what IS a religious symbol? A bindi on a Hindu woman's forehead, a beard without mustache on a man (only Muslims sport this kind of facial hair) , a wedding band on one's finger (this is worn mostly by Christians), a cross on a chain around a woman's neck, face covering veil (only worn by Muslim Women)?
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Uday Apr 12, 2021 06:45am
I was recently watching a Pak cleric’s lecture on you tube ( it was random and I don’t remember his name). He narrated one incidence where few girls he knew wore burqa on some days and didn’t wear on other days. He asked them why it is so. They replied that when they do make up and are properly dressed, they don’t need to wear burqa and on other days they do.
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Harambe Apr 12, 2021 07:27am
@Engr Nasir: Forcing oneself on another is a gross and vulgar act!
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Harambe Apr 12, 2021 07:34am
@Factual Bias Obviously, Neither IK, nor his fellow travellers have EVER heard of infants, and old women dressed in rags subject ted to sexual assaults! What about boy victims of ready-to-go men?Were they always dressed "vulgarly"? Ik is way out of his depth!!
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Harambe Apr 12, 2021 07:35am
@Ekramul Majid: What's your point?
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Kublai Apr 12, 2021 08:21am
@Darawal Say, you from Hindustan under a Muslim name?
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Kublai Apr 12, 2021 08:34am
Shireen the Mazari lives in her own 'tiny' make believe world. See the women wrapped in white bedsheets? Shrouds? Burqas? How can they even walk from here to there without stumbling on their own hemlines er bedsheets.
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Kublai Apr 12, 2021 08:37am
Agree with the IMAGES Staff opinion 1000%
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Kublai Apr 12, 2021 08:43am
Once again, "The Ghost and the Kuptaan ". Famous Urdu play by well known Pakistani playwrite Rehmatullah Shakespeare.
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Fatcrack Apr 12, 2021 10:46am
Maybe she should tell her boss the same.
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Jay Apr 12, 2021 11:38am
According to liberalism & feminism, women must have the right to wear whatever pleases them? Why apply different standards when it comes to hijab and pardah?
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Pakistan Apr 12, 2021 12:15pm
I think you people should also come out of khan's preoccupation, dont refer to international media they r occupied by people like you, if u want to make women a piece of attraction and sensation the be it and get ready to face the repurcusdion. Rape is the direct result of obscenity and vulgarity. If u people want to turn this country into sex free land then thats not going to happen. we know you people have been allured by the western life but u r few and weak nd cannot make our sacred land polluted by you lustful desire.
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hussain Apr 12, 2021 12:52pm
@UHD done a poll have you.
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hussain Apr 12, 2021 01:02pm
@Chrís Dăn who is Sara taseer, another person who like the Bhutto or Sharif clan have no real connection to the religion and cultural views of the overwhelming Pakistanis, these imbeciles are coconuts, the imperial British would have been proud of and the French would decorate them with medals . born with a silver spoon in her mouth, she assumes too much of herself, like most rich kids.
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Laila Apr 12, 2021 09:17pm
@TenJee I respectfully disagree on some of your points. Islamically modesty is not linked to rape or sexual crimes. It's meant to be a way of life for muslims. Seperate topic. Dividing the world into liberals and religious is in itself flawed. Most Pakistanis don't know what liberals actually means and it is nowhere near how we use it to label somebody who is void of morals or religion. Also a seperate topic. Pornography, social media, internet, electronic, visual, audio media, magazines at all new things. Yet we find rape, vulgarity and immodesty even 1400 years ago when Islam came and even before that. Eliminating it then would ha e been easier IF sexual violence was caused by it. It is not. So the correlation between rape and vulgarity is factually wrong. Millions of Muslim men live in West often viewed by many Pakistani as immoral and depraved societies. Yet they work, interact with non Muslim women daily but don't rape them. Because at the end of the day to rape is a choice.
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