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Sharmeen stole my idea to make 'A Girl in the River', says Syed Noor

Noor says the Oscar winning director stole the idea and name from his 2011 movie 'Price of Honour.'

01 Mar, 2016

LAHORE: Veteran Lollywood director Syed Noor accused Oscar winner Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy of copying his idea and name to make the movie which brought her a second Oscar within two years, DawnNews reported on Tuesday.

The director of famous film 'Choorian' claimed that Chinoy not only stole the central idea but also the name and script from a film he made about two years ago.

Noor's movie was named 'Price of Honour', released in 2011.

Answering a question, Noor said he will not legally pursue the matter but he is disheartened to note that the idea and the name was copied but he was not given due credit.

Speaking on the issue, Lollywood actor Moammar Rana criticised Chinoy for 'bringing bad name to Pakistan' through her movie and dared her to make a movie on the affectees of drone strikes on Pak-Afghan border region.

Sharmeen Chinoy was awarded an Oscar on Monday, her second for Pakistan, in the category of Best Documentary - Short Subject for the documentary A Girl in the River, which follows the life of an 18-year-old girl who is a survivor of an honour killing attempt.

Noor's movie, 'The Price of Honour' revolved around a brave girl from an impoverished background who challenges the existing status quo with noble deeds, education and human rights awareness.

She was threatened of dire consequences by the powerful landlord mafia but they cannot defeat her courage and determination.

Ultimately, she is subjected to severe punishments and is publicly humiliated. Rakhshi’s character was portrayed as a courageous woman who dares to defy the odds.

Chinoy previously won the Academy Award for her documentary 'Saving Face' at the 84th Annual Academy Awards in 2012.

Trailer of Syed Noor's 'Price Of Honour'

Trailer of SOC Films 'A Girl in the River'

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KAmal Mar 01, 2016 08:44pm

Right. And she also stole your wife's Eid gharara cut. She also stole the kameez cut of your maid Etc etc. Amazing how people bring about their own downfall by talking to much in public

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Harmony-1© Mar 01, 2016 09:06pm

This guy's criticism that Sharmeen is 'bringing bad name to Pakistan' through her movie suggests he is just an attention seeker. What is bad is daily 'honour killing' news. This documentary at least portrays that there are people of conscience who want to bring a good change in society through awareness and with their bit of good work. Recognising and acknowledging the issue is the first step towards correction.

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Saz Mar 01, 2016 09:14pm

Mr Noor needs to learn the difference between documentary and fiction.

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Adnan Mar 01, 2016 09:23pm

Typical pakistani response. Never happy with the success of compatriots. As far as bringing bad rep goes that is just ridiculous. It is a problem in our society for which awareness must be created

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Ali Mar 01, 2016 09:39pm

Learn to recognise the difference between fiction and non-fiction director saab. I mean come on, jealousy should have a limit. In addition to the obvious differences between a documentary and a movie, the names of both works and the protagonists are totally different as well. Plus you can't own the 'idea' of honour killing, its a cultural fact and no one can copyright it. Laughable childishness from such a senior director really.

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Naveed Mar 01, 2016 09:53pm

Hey, and he's sitting on my chair that went missing from my office!

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Filmcritic Mar 01, 2016 09:58pm

Typical hypocritical response from someone who makes movies where the hero can take dozens of bullets and within 5 minutes is singing and dancing, how pathetic is that.

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Tauheed Ahmed Mar 01, 2016 10:04pm

Einstein stole my ideas too. ha! ha!

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Blue Saffron Mar 01, 2016 10:14pm

Stop whining. If you believe she did then sue her but please dont malign her name.

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Ameer Talha Mar 01, 2016 10:14pm

End justifies the means! No point complaining after the fact!

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Nasir Mar 01, 2016 10:25pm

This is normal for those people who cant see the success of juniors. Well done Sharmeen Obaid.

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Mahmood Mar 01, 2016 10:27pm

In order to pursue a claim 'legally' you have to have valid grounds... Seems you have none!

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Junaid Mar 01, 2016 11:09pm

Ideas are stolen everyday in almost every business. If Syed Noor thought that it was such a precious idea he should have kept it close. Secondly, execution of the idea matters as much. You can not discredit someone's achievements by accusing him or her. Admit it, that she is a talented hard working film maker. Next time don't say your idea too loud before you execute it. Maybe you can win the next Oscar. It is given every year.

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Parvez Mar 01, 2016 11:17pm

There's nothing more pathetic than someone who refuses to face reality.

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solani Mar 01, 2016 11:37pm

Just think your sister, raised the name of Pakistan.

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MA Mar 01, 2016 11:39pm

She can only achieve this grade of recognition out of Pakistan. From all the tweets and comments on her winning the award, one can see how she would be treated in her own country.

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Doc Mar 01, 2016 11:46pm

Not surprised coming from Lol-lywood. This cracked me up

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GAWAL MANDI YA Mar 01, 2016 11:58pm

So nothing was said all this time,but as soon as Sharmeen wins an award,an Oscar,he decides to come out and accuses Sharmeen of stealing the script and name.Too little too late?

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optimist Mar 02, 2016 12:06am

Why he is saying this after Sharmeen won the Oscar award. Why after five years.

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Johri ----Canada Mar 02, 2016 12:10am

What was your "IDEA" , and how come you did not make the movie. Now you want to steal thunder from Sharmeen. She has done excellent job by showing reality to whole world,

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atif khan Mar 02, 2016 12:16am

you know Mr Noor when i was a kid i had this brilliant idea of how nice it would be to colonize mars create suitable atmosphere there and then one day my dream shattered as Americans stole my idea put their satellite in Mars orbit and sent a rover later,and i dont know what to do.terrible feeling isnt it

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Johore Mar 02, 2016 01:20am

OK Syed Noor we also give you appreciation if it was your idea too.But please don't use the word "stole" instead you may say she " further or expand" your idea.

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Ayesha Minhaj Mar 02, 2016 01:55am

Its a natural reaction that should not have gone public,simple. However,I admire both directors who thought alike just like all great minds do and appreciate the awakening it has generated in the society at large.The point to highlight is that our cinema is reviving and is being recognized at the international level. Kudos to both our Pakistani directors !!

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Saif Mar 02, 2016 02:07am

M Rana's assertion that Shermeen's movies have brought bad name to the country does not have any merit. It's, in fact, laughable. Films are reflections of a society. Most of the films that Noor has directed or Rana has worked in, irrespective of quality, have served the same purpose, then how come Shermeen's work brings bad name to Pak but duo's films are good for the country. Fact is that the quality of Shermeen's work is so high and so powerful that people around the world take notice of it. Through her work she not only forces even the PM to bring changes in country's laws but also brings great laurels to Pak. Honor killing is grave problem in Pak and elsewhere in the region. To say that someone has copied one's work also has no meaning. There are instances where many movies are made on one subject. Lastly, Rana has suggested Shermeen to make a film on Drone attacks. Now that he got a subject why doesn't he make one himself and like Shermeen, bring good name to Pakistan?

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Reality Bites Mar 02, 2016 02:26am

Unfortunately, these people critical of Shermeen, Malala and Mukhtaran Mai are the ones bringing 'bad name' to Pakistan. 'Leg pullers' can only talk but cannot and will not walk the walk. They only come out of the woodwork to criticize.

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Zak Mar 02, 2016 02:35am

So he wants everyone to drop Credit to Sharmeen and co producer Haya and start applauding Noor. He should have made his statement, than congratulated her for doing a job that won international acclaim. Noir's movie, I guess , did not go beyond Lahore. When will Pakistani artists learn to support each other's success instead of pulling them down. Unity will take your industry forward, disunity will take it backward.

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Allan DeSouza Mar 02, 2016 02:48am

Utter rubbish. Sharmeen story is based on a true story in Pakistan in 2014. Noor may have a similar type of story line but the idea was not copied at all. No wonder Noor is not pursuing the legal course. He has no case.

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M Mar 02, 2016 03:12am

It takes a way lot more to transform an idea into end product that wins Oscar Award. Congrats Sharmeen

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Guru Mar 02, 2016 03:23am

Stealing idea and copying them is very common in Bollywood and Lollywood!

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Khan Mar 02, 2016 03:25am

I wonder if you sent the lady a private message and protested or just saw it appropriate to wash your linen, dirty?, in public?

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Hafeez Mar 02, 2016 04:09am

Well done sharmeen . Mr. Noor she didn't steal the idea. It may be coincidence but if she did it shows your failure to present the idea,which she did present in a way that she got oscar. Mr. Noor you are jealous of her otherwise you should congratulate her and you should be happy that somehow you are part of it. Sharmeen made every Pakistani proud.

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Ali Syed Mar 02, 2016 04:33am

The trailer for the movie Price of Honor shows that the movie is nicely made and obviously shows the ordeal in great detail. Documentary seems to be an effective portrayal as well. Sometimes you have to wonder how one story (or film) is picked up for the utmost honor and the other is ignored or even rejected or ridiculed.

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iffti Mar 02, 2016 04:42am

I will not comment on movie as I haven't watched either. If Sharmeen has stolen anyone's idea and it is proven, she will have to return her award and she will be black listed for any future participation. Western countries have zero tolerance towards plagiarism. Has anyone watched both movies?

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Kyoorius Mar 02, 2016 04:44am

Mr. Noor needs some schooling. Documentary was made with real people and locations. Basically it was made by following and interviewing the people who were involved in the incident. The skill is to bring the story to life so that it captures the hearts and minds of people who go and see the documentary.

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A z khan Mar 02, 2016 06:22am

Price of Honour ,movie by Syed Noor ,is this movie distributed in Usa or canada ,love to watch ,seems to me a powerful subject

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hameed Baloch Mar 02, 2016 06:50am

Dear Noor Sahib we should appreciate the efforts of Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy's that she is opening our eyes about the dirt and ugliness which our society is trying to hide and what Munto did with his stories Sharmeen is doing same thing with her documentary. You should not be jealous with her success rather like an alderman come forward and appreciate her efforts and you should be proud of her that she brought your idea (which is common, still today, and it is story of everyday, and it is not unique that you should claim that it is your brainchild) to international forum. If Mr. Rana brought Gundasa, and rain in cloudless bright sunny day just for sake of exposing the figures he did not ashamed but when sharmeen exposed our hypocrisy he became upset, who is hypocrite?

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Shakil Mar 02, 2016 07:07am

Every Pakistani in Canada is proud of sharmmeen. You are in media for 30 years and never get Oscar. Please make good movies and stop criticising sharmeen. Mr Noor do some positive work.

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anwar siddique Mar 02, 2016 07:14am

Ideas are a dime a dozen, the genius is in the execution. Also to quote Pablo Picasso, one of the greatest if not the greatest 20th century artist : Good artists copy; great artists steal.

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Nisar Ahmad Mar 02, 2016 07:38am

What a negative mindset. These people destroyed film industry and could not produce a single film of international standard. Pl do not project such people.

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Aamir Mar 02, 2016 07:55am

The fact is to this day Syed Noor's film "Price of Honour" has never been released. One has been hearing for ages that its going to get released soon. An absolute joke. Very disappointed with Syed Noor.

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Basharat Mar 02, 2016 07:57am

Mr Noor., sorry to know that she stole your idea but it's never too late. Please come up with a new idea and make a documentary . I'll be happy to see you getting Oscar.

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ali Mar 02, 2016 08:12am

Typical Pakistani behavior where one gets some fame and other starts pulling his or her legs..

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nastik Mar 02, 2016 08:48am

He may be right and this is very common in Pakistan to steal ideas.

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Wajih Mar 02, 2016 08:53am

Syed Noor film is seemed more inspired from Malala's incident and Shermeen's docu is inspired by Saba incident. In both incidents the victim is a woman and man is the Saviour of honor. It is good that he made that film but I just come to know about this film just today. It seems that the film was not given due publicity whereas shermeen's film had won Oscar. Moammar Rana's criticism is very naive I think he needs to grow up intellectually.

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M. Malik Mar 02, 2016 09:15am

I think he means Sharmeen walked the Red Carpet wearing his shoes!

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Asim Munir Mar 02, 2016 09:18am

Ideas belong to who implement them. If Noor is such a genius mind why does not he make next Oscar winning documentary?

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Sajjad Ashraf Mar 02, 2016 09:25am

Sharmeen wins and so does Pakistan's brave women. You lament only.

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Javeed Mar 02, 2016 09:45am

Its an after thought. Ms Chinoy did not win second Oscar overnight. The documentary was there and Mr. Noor had all the luxury of time to review and criticize it. Criticizing it after it has won an Oscar, shows malicious intent of Mr. Noor. Why Mr. Noor kept quite for so long.

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Farooq Mar 02, 2016 09:45am

i don't get how Sharmeen brought shame to Pakistan. She simply made a documentary on on honor killing subject which comes at least once a month in the newspapers in Dubai. And the Oscars are known for giving awards to films which are daring. The best picture winner was not some stupid love story, it was a film about child abuse by the church. We still don't hear Catholics blaming the producer of Spotlight for shaming the church.

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GA Mar 02, 2016 09:52am

Pakistan is not exactly a shining beacon of enlightenment that's its image would be tarnished by Chinoys documentaries.

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Roy Mar 02, 2016 10:20am

I think many fils can be made on one idea so he must not create hype. however, his trailer is good one as i saw. Thus he must have been given due credit too.. without "gender discretion" here. :P

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Fawzia H Mar 02, 2016 10:41am

He shouldn't feel so bad after all copying is the best form of flattery and this improved version went on to win an acclaimed award.

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Talha Masood Mar 02, 2016 10:41am

Even if she did.....she did it to perfection!....and you could've messed with it. Everybody has Ideas, IMPLEMENTATION is not everybody can do.....Understand the difference Sir!

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ZA Mar 02, 2016 10:44am

Desperation at its peak.

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Rasool saand Mar 02, 2016 10:53am

what a funny statement by Syed Noor , pl don't make the world laugh at you

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irtiza Mar 02, 2016 10:54am

Too little, too late from someone who forgot how to be creative a long time ago.

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Zubair Mar 02, 2016 10:55am

Does he know the difference between a scripted movie and a documentary?

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iftikhara Mar 02, 2016 11:06am

After watching Price of honour trailer it looks concept is stolen completely but she won it Mr. Noor i appreciate you also good job one like from me.

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Muhammad Mohsin Shahzad Mar 02, 2016 11:11am

So basically what I understand is that According to Moamer Rana, Sharmeen shouldn't show the reality. Honour Killing is a real and there's nothing wrong with showing the truth. Secondly instead of criticizing her, May be Maomer Rana should first win at least one Oscar or at least get nominated for one instead of criticizing Sharmeen. There's is no comparison between her level and to which level these Lollywood hooligans stoop to. And to Syed Noor, well thank God Sharmeen didn't stole your idea of Majajan. LOL. Get your head out of dreams, Man.

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analyses Mar 02, 2016 11:12am

This was totally expected from Syed Noor. Always the jealous type and his mind is so negative about everyone around him it's just unbearable.

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Rejoice Mar 02, 2016 11:18am

I want to ask Syed Noor whether he congratulated Ms Sharmeen Chinoy for her great documentary film, which end up winning the Oscar. Where his the idea was kept. Was it in Pandora box? Was there any futile place from where the idea could be stolen? Better come up with your new idea to promote Pakistan film industry.

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Yasir Mar 02, 2016 11:20am

Frustration Exposed !!!!

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Abbas Ali Mar 02, 2016 11:24am

Don't be a cry baby. You don't have a depth to think about it. How many of your films were ever nominated to any award, barring this one, which according to you she stole.

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adnan shamim Mar 02, 2016 11:31am

wow. and when 'Choorian' was released Spielberg was sad about not having to come up with the story line first.

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Sayed Mar 02, 2016 11:44am

I think this is normal reaction just to be in news which happened in other industries also... They should realize one thing only that these issues are common in society any one who has kind heart and creativity he can highlight in much better way and same SHARMEEN did and i wish that our parliament which is full of FUEDALS accept this bill and pass unanimously again. We have to appreciate her efforts and encourage her to highlight more issues of our society like WOMEN HARRASMENT, VINY etc and Our govt should implement law like MINISTER MARVI MEMON presented bill against acid attacks which was unanimously passed.

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MK Mar 02, 2016 11:50am

congrats on having the idea and getting your name on a national publication, I had never heard of you before this and I hope never to hear of you again. Get a life

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zafar Mar 02, 2016 12:06pm

am interesting analogy for Mr. Noor. The international law on patent now encourages theft. It basically states that it is not who came up with the idea first but who brings it to the market first.

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Masood Mar 02, 2016 12:11pm

Sharmeen Obaid is a proud of Pakistan but some little people like Syed noor jealous with her. He always make a pando film.. If they have a good idea then do it.

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Nasir Iqbal Mar 02, 2016 12:16pm

This is really not the right way! My opinion is if Mr. Noor has any concern he should talk to Ms. Sharmeen first and mutually settle issues. Showing his concern through media sends negative signal to the wold about Pakistan and Pakistanis. Myself an expat in UAE definitely feeling uncomfortable. What Mr. Noor can do now is to send another message showing something positive. He is a great film director and writer.

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Naveed Mar 02, 2016 12:16pm

This veteran has proven credentials thus his statement is worth credence, there may be truth lurking in his statement. Blind rebuttal will be unjust.

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Leo Mar 02, 2016 12:22pm

Just to add one fact on this issue,the Honour Killing is not only typical or exclusive to Pakistan only.In fact it is not only due to mis interpretation of religion, but more due to cultural,historical and other issues.Hence,it also happens in India,Kurds,Afghans and many nations and tribes in Asia,maybe more in South East and Centeral Asia.Sharmeen has done a good job of raising awareness on the issue of (Dis)honour killings,but this fact should have been also propagated.Few years back when ex President Pervez Musshraf was confronted by the U.S. press on the Mukhtaran Mai issue,he tried to explain this fact but it all went tipsy turfy and the issue became more politicized murky!

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Absano Mar 02, 2016 12:28pm

Honor killings bring bad name to Pakistan. A Pakistani making a film that receives an international award brings good name to Pakistan. Learn the difference Momi.

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DG Mar 02, 2016 12:30pm

Pakistan is the only country in the world where people love to find faults with Nobel prize and Oscar winners

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Jehan Zeb Mir, M.D., USA Mar 02, 2016 12:49pm

It is not the same story. Only thing common is honor killing and Syed Noor does not own that idea.

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SMK Mar 02, 2016 12:50pm

Always trying to secure unnecessary publicity. Either by Bollywood bashing or complaining about fellow filmmakers.

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Jaj Mar 02, 2016 12:52pm

Things happening around you ignite your imagination and that might have happened in case of this documentary of Sharmeen Obaid. If we look at movies made by Syed Noor we will find so many things which can be linked to other movies. Sharmeen has a passion to highlight crimes against women & she has done this successfully not once but twice. She has shown her expertise in making award winning documentaries. Syed Noor should encourage her because in no way they are competitors. As a top film maker of our country he should have a bigger heart and patronize her. Sharmeen has made us all winners. Thank you Sharmeen. We are proud of you.

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Hyder Mar 02, 2016 01:00pm

if u feel shame then stop this act(Honor Killing)

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amjad Mar 02, 2016 02:00pm

Hypothetically even if it was a stolen idea the statement of Syed Noor was unbecoming of a gentlemen in the National interest.Prove your mettle in film making and bag an Oscar.Mind you there is a vast difference between Film making and documentary making.

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The Right Left Mar 02, 2016 02:28pm

Luckily the days of Noor and his generation of filmmakers are good as over.

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Waheed Mar 02, 2016 02:41pm

Noor Sir, What stopped you from getting an Oscar? Please try your luck, better next time.

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Aziz Mar 02, 2016 02:44pm

The reaction of Mr. Noor and the some readers’ highly emotive but barren responses reflects badly on our current state of our social and intellectual maturity. It has only exacerbated the “crisis.” Sharmeen is a social reformer who, perhaps, by pandering to Western sensibilities and perceptions of Pakistan achieves her objectives by default. The ensuing award (again, perhaps) is a quid pro quo pandering to Pakistani inferiority complex (vis-a-vis anything Western). Mr. Noor is a veteran filmmaker with many films carrying strong social message to his accolade. Both Noor and Sharmeen have contributed meaningfully to highlighting our myriad problems. There is still a crying need for MORE to bring it to our socially, ethically, and morally convoluted public consciousness. Perhaps, in retrospect, Mustafa Noor could have highlighted his “grievances” more elegantly by drawing attention to his film ONLY and allowed viewers to decide how much if any “plagiarism” has taken place.

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innocent Mar 02, 2016 02:58pm

Goes to prove the age old proverb : Success has many fathers.

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Ajamal Mar 02, 2016 03:39pm

This guy has already destroyed the film industry of Lahore.

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A.Majeed Chanda Mar 02, 2016 04:16pm

This is pathetic statement from Syed Noor .If feels the idea was stolen then why he did not present his film to Oscar Award Committee ? The lady has done a good name for the country and she should be encouraged

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Hasan Mar 02, 2016 04:28pm

Why Mr. Noor waited for her to get the award to come out with this statement? I wonder, if she had not won, would he still have made this "revelation"?

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Danish Mar 02, 2016 04:45pm

Syed Noor has failed to improve the quality of his films over many decades. His jealous attempt to grab a little spotlight now after the Oscar is simply pathetic!

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Ghulam Nabi Malik Mar 02, 2016 04:48pm

Syed Noor's claim seemed to be farce, because, if he had already made the movie on the subject Killing On Honor then publicity should be there so that he could be nominated for Oscar, Sharmeen was already in the field of such movie. So no body would agree for Syed Noor's claim. instead, it would bring bad name for Pakistan for forgery in which Pakistani's are expertise. I would appreciate Syed Noor for this kind of movies, was already in cinema industry should have delivered such movies which reform society to be exposed the ills in the society.

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Bobb Mack Mar 02, 2016 04:55pm

If Mr Noor has any truth in his claim the matter should have been settled without making it public. I am amazed that a senior Pak film maker like him did not care that the Oscar has raised his country's name. Does he think Sharmeen's previous Oscar winning documentary was also someone else's idea. One thing is clear why only few Pakistanis make any impact outside Pakistan....we are good at pulling each other's legs.

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Noshin Mar 02, 2016 11:24pm

allegations but nothing else

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Noshin Mar 02, 2016 11:28pm

time to prof by act not by presenting meaningless allegations

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berni Mar 03, 2016 12:56am

Here's a clever loser trying to steal some fame from Sharmeen's success and fame. They want to protect honor killers by calling Shermeen a foreign agent working against Pakistan. What a depravity!

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Sailani Mar 03, 2016 05:05am

Sharmeen did not make a feature film, she made a documentary of real life characters that have gone through this ordeal.

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Shakil Ahmed Mar 03, 2016 05:40am

these old lot will always cry foul!

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Junaid Ahmed Faruqi Mar 03, 2016 10:15am

What a joke… lost word for such kind of rubbish from Syed Noor. Such a pathetic statement…

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AlooKeema Mar 03, 2016 11:47am

OMG - I ate a paratha for breakfast and someone else did tooooo. My paratha idea has been STOLEN and I didn't get credit for it!

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TJ Mar 04, 2016 02:03pm

Is this guy a joke seriously? Look at the wallpaper of "price of honour" above. Looks like a D grade Lolly movie which obviously is really bad. How can Mr Noor think that he ever could make documentaries which are rough, sad, shameful for the country but nonetheless true. Kudos to Miss/Mrs Obaid Chinoy for making art which really matters! /TJ

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Muz Bukhari Mar 04, 2016 03:37pm

Oh, guys - just have patience. It is merely a very common phrase "steal an idea" which he used. I am sure he never meant accusing the oscar winner. Noor simply meant that he also had a similar idea but Sharmeen took the lead.

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Narvinnie Mar 04, 2016 07:55pm

It's about time that miss Chinoy had the guts to tell the story that should have been told. Why women in Pakistan are held to the taboo and punishment.

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mehkan Mar 05, 2016 02:02am

Why do we have so many people in our country who are never happy with the success of fellow country men. Message to Sharmen: Stay positive! You know who you are and you deserved each moment of the Oscars. Gosh! We Pakistanis need to acknowledge and congratulate our fellow country men for their achievements and in fact help them and collaborate towards a better Pakistan.

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Khalid Mar 05, 2016 11:25am

Mr. Noor do not do it. If you cannot do yourself, appreciate who have done it. Do not be jealous. They also serve those who stand and wait. But in the right manner.

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A. Khan Mar 05, 2016 04:33pm

Kudos to Sharmeen for highlighting issues in both movies .

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israr khan Mar 05, 2016 05:02pm

she has based it on true events...

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Amer Rao Mar 06, 2016 03:11pm

Its too late Sir.

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